Monday, November 12, 2007

Examining ancient graves

Qing Nang Xu 青囊序 says:

請驗一家*舊日墳 十墳埋下九墳貧
惟有一墳能發福 去水來山盡合情**

Please examine the ancient graves handled by the same Feng Shui school.
Among ten graves, nine yield poverty.
Only one grave generates prosperity.
The incoming mountain and outgoing water are appropriately loving.

* 一家 can mean "one family" or "one school (of thought)".
**合情 can mean "correct according to situation". When it is used in Feng Shui, it means that the yin and yang, mountain and water, are correctly (lovingly) located.

The author of Qing Nang Xu is Ceng Wen Chan 曾文辿, the most important disciple of Yang Yun Song 楊筠松. In these lines there is embedded one secret that most Feng Shui masters overlooked and overlook.

The "one school" does not specify which school. It actually refers to all schools.
If you examine the ancient graves handled by any Feng Shui school, you will find that nine out of ten have poor descendants because the mountain and water are not appropriately located. Only one grave has prosperous descendants because the water and mountain are well matching. Why?

We must not overlook the word "ancient" in the context. We must not forget that the magnetic field of the earth is changing. Even if an ancient grave was handled correctly to have the mountain and water matching in the best way when the person was buried, after a hundred years the change of the earth's magnetism has caused the mountain and water directions to be inappropriate today. It will be fruitless to examine ancient graves to verify the correctness of a Feng Shui formula.

Furthermore, yin zhai 陰宅 feng shui is only one small part of life. It may be the body (體) but the application (用) is yang zhai 陽宅 feng shui.

Using ancient graves or ancient buildings to verify the correctness or incorrectness of a Feng Shui formula is simply an invalid approach. It may actually point to the otherwise.


4 comments: said...

Dear Joseph,

Even if these graves were all correctly positioned at the time of their making.
I have always wondered about this idea that the ancestor's graves have influence on the prosperity of the descendants.

If we look at it a little logically from a broader perspective:
Supposedly for centuries at least some of the Chinese families took great care to have graves of their deceased elders properly positioned according to feng shui principles.
Meanwhile the rest of the world just buried their dead randomly, or even just burned the bodies.
Still we know that by the middle of last century China had become everything but the most prosperous nation on earth.
Isn't that quite contradictory with the idea that better grave positioning makes the descendants more rich?

Then came the period that feng shui was officially forbidden in China.
And what happens? We now see mainland China catching up with the rest of the world.
And India is catching up pretty much at the same rate, while they are still just burning their dead.

So, nothing suggests that there is any positive effect in this grave positioning. Rather on the contrary.

I think what happens is this:
People who don't believe in this grave feng shui, they are more likely to take responsibility for their poverty situation.
Those who believe in the grave feng shui, they will blame their poverty on the bad feng shui of some ancestor's grave.

Who is more likely to stay poor?


CaitanyaRupa said...


Is it possible to calculate the magnetic fields based on the age of the grave or building?

For example - if I know the grave is 500 years old, can I calculate what the magnetic field was at that time and then verify the feng shui of the site? goes back to 1750 CE

"When the tectonic plates form along the oceanic ridges, the magnetic field that exists is imprinted on the rock as they cool below about 700 Centigrade. The slowly moving plates act as a kind of tape recorder leaving information about the strength and direction of past magnetic fields. By sampling these rocks and using radiometric dating techniques it has been possible to reconstruct the history of the Earth's magnetic field for the last 160 million years or so."

Caitanya Rupa

CaitanyaRupa said...

Some Observations on the above comments:

First of all, I have seen it written elsewhere that Yin house Feng Shui was long considered most potent for "immediate" ancestors. It has been understood that magnetic circumstances can change over time.

Second - the knowledge was held close by the imperial family and most Feng shui experts were controlled by them. So the impoverished masses were not helped by Yin house Feng shui because they didn't know how to do it.

From what I can understand, the "rise" of India and China is more to do with the cycle of Yin and Yang. When either comes to an extreme then they manifest as the beginning of the other's growth.

For the most part, Feng shui was in the realm of the rich. Feng shui masters were forbidden to help others. The emperors were known to keep them under close guard.

But even then, Feng Shui is only "Earth luck". India though seeming poor as a nation has some amazingly wealthy citizens. The kings of old were known for great opulence. Their impoverished condition has more to do with European imperialism and theft that with bad Feng shui.

India uses their knowledge of how to manipulate "Heaven Luck". Though Chinese astrology may say we can't do much about it, Indian astrology is full of cures and solutions to bad "Heaven Luck".

They also have a great deal of knowledge about the "Man" part of the formula. These are taught through the "Yoga" system of lifestyle.

India is rising because of their technological expertise for the main part. Most students worship the Goddesss Saraswati - for help with "Heaven luck".

They don't deal as much with "earth luck" which is what Yin house Feng Shui is. This part of the knowledge is called Vastu. It's knowledge is not as widely taught as Feng Shui is beginning to be taught.

In Hong Kong and Taiwan, there have been some extremely wealthy people even during the period of decline of Feng Shui on the mainland. Hong Kong and Taiwan are famous for respecting Feng Shui and keeping it alive.

These comments do not prove or disprove Yin house Feng Shui.

Those who accept the possibility of Yin house Feng shui simply have more options on how to increase their good fortune in life.

For every major belief system has a similar statement - "Honor thy father and thy mother that thou may live long and prosper"

Even Vedic astrology states that a short life indicates disrespect for elders or saintly people. The cure? - Learn to treat them with respect and get their blessings.

One could also take the argument that if one can simply become rich because they take responsibility for their poverty, then we would be overrun with millionaires. Not so, so taking responsibility is only the beginning.

A person who takes the time and spends the money to make sure their ancestors are properly situated is not being lazy. They are likely to be using cures in their homes as well and to be pursuing actively other remedies for their poverty. It is not "cheap" to properly situate a grave. It takes time and money. Most "poor" people could probably not afford it. As many cannot afford a $500 Feng shui audit. You have to have money to make money.

The ancient rishis indicated that poverty is a mentality first and a monetary condition last. If our consciousness is impoverished, then our surroundings will reflect that.

These are simply observations on the above statements. There are many ways to look at any situation. It is not possible to see all possibilities. We should keep an open mind while we are exploring the realm of subtle physics.

Just some thoughts
Caitanya Rupa

Joseph Yu said...

Dear Danny and Caitaya

I opened a can of worms but you poured out the worms and now they are everywhere.